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Windows Vista, will you be upgrading?

Upgrading? I've already upgraded!
5(11.1%)
Yep, ASAP
0(0.0%)
Perhaps, not for the moment though
16(35.6%)
No! I'm taking the opportunity to switch to something else
7(15.6%)
No, I don't have a Windows PC
7(15.6%)
Other (please comment)
10(22.2%)

Windows Vista, what do you think of it?

Amazing!
2(4.5%)
Pretty good
5(11.4%)
Average
3(6.8%)
Poor
1(2.3%)
Awful!
7(15.9%)
Never tried it
23(52.3%)
Other (please comment)
3(6.8%)

My XP is reaching the end of it's "install life", and getting slow. Should I take the opportunity and upgrade to Vista?

Yes, for sure!
1(2.3%)
Yes, perhaps
11(25.0%)
No, just reinstall XP
18(40.9%)
Don't know/don't care
8(18.2%)
Other (please comment)
6(13.6%)

What poll question do you have about Windows Vista?


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The only advantage Vista holds for me is DirectX 10. Until there's enough decent DX10 cards and games around (I suspect mid-2008 personally) I'm not going to upgrade.

Oh dear. I rather liked the look of the speech recognition (which is supposedly rather good). Damn I'm lazy ;-)

Yep, if it can't deal with my hardware I doubt I'll upgrade... honest, I won't, I won't buy new hardware just so I can upgrade ;-)

shadow volume copy as standard is pretty nifty too... only 10 years behind novell, but it's finally there.

I should probably google the term, but I vaguely remember that being something to do with a sync between volumes?

it's in essence a snapshot of the files on a volume. It also maintains previous versions of files on the volume so anything deleted or change can be restored off the local drive. essntially working as a local undelete facility.

Ah OK, thanks for explaining.

Well I would, except Linux seems to require a helluva lot of knowledge to get it going. Plus there are certain Windows apps I love or need to use (Winamp, Office... and some others). Plus I'm a games-head, so need the compatibility for Windows games.

I had always intended to try Linux, but I suffer from terminal procrastination.

Several GNU/Linux distributions (such as Debian or Ubuntu are really easy to install - much easier than Windows. Debian's support on IRC and the web is pretty awesome too.

There are about 8 million media player apps for GNU/Linux, xmms is pretty much a direct equivalent of Winamp. There's OpenOffice.org and KOffice among others - the former is available for Windows now, the latter will be soon if you want to try ahead.

You do, sadly, have a point when it comes to gaming. The situation is getting better through companies like Linux Game Publishing, and I believe many Windows games can be run on GNU/Linux through Cedega or WineX, but it's still not perfect.

I absolutely adore Winamp, and couldn't live without it, so it would have to be something identical.

Ultimately I guess it comes down to confidence (or is that better the devil you know?). Having spent a lot of time with Windows I feel confident that if it goes tits up I can recover from it. With Linux I'd have that learning curve again, and probably a lot more. And that's aside from the issue of trying to make all the hardware and software work in it.

If I were rich I might be persuaded to buy a Mac, but would probably run that side-by-side with Windows, for a while anyway.

There's no reason why you can't dual-boot Windows and GNU/Linux - I did that for six months after installing Debian before ditching Windows entirely.

Linux hardware support is pretty good these days. The main things you have to worry about are (some) wifi cards, and accelerated 3D graphics may not work out of the box. In both cases, this is due to manufacturers not releasing Free drivers or specs which would allow such to be created.

As for software, the new Debian 4.0 release will come with over 20,000 packages which can be installed, removed and security updated with simple point-and-click procedures...

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I'm not sure what you mean by dropped. Certainly my Debian package repositories contain the UK localisation files for OpenOffice.

How did you find the install finicky? I tend to do Debian installs in <15 minutes armed with a CD or DVD of packages. The new 4.0 release has a new installer which is even easier to use than the old, so you might want to see whether that works straight off for you. Certainly post-install Debian is IME the easiest distribution to keep up-to-date and install new software with minimal hassle.

"I had always intended to try Linux, but I suffer from terminal procrastination."

Ditto, nor am I a Geek... but I'd rather go Slackware Linux (a really Geeky version of Linux, so I'm told) before I'd go anywhere near Vista. DRM'd software = The (actual, real, live) Devil!

If XP is running slow, then vista will be twice as slow! Don't bother until you have a new PC.

This PC is plenty fast, so from a hardware POV it should be OK. Some folks are telling me that Vista is quicker on the same hardware, presumably assuming it's decent in the first place.

I've heard that, but not seen any figures which demonstrate it, or indeed any definition of how "decent" it has to be for Vista to be faster than XP.

I've seen figures for base memory footprint being smaller than XP, plus I've been told that the startup time is quicker, and that it just feels quicker in the UI.

I always treat these with a pinch of salt until I try it for myself though (I heard the other day that Vista would hunt down MP3s and convert them to a low bit-rate if it didn't find copyright information, which was just a load of nonsense).

vista will be slower in almost all instances if only due to the extra levels of services running, apart from possibly multi threading or with multiple processors. although hybrid hdds will make significent differences to a number of applications.
aero apparantly creates little overhead and probably removes some of the processor overhead as it will do most of the graphics processing on the gpu which is where it should be done anyway :)
intuitive precaching of applications will make quite a big difference, although i can see that being tweaked a lot at the moment.

suprisingly vista actually runs pretty well on modern budget systems, even if there are currently some software compatibility issues, mainly with games.

I have been trying Vista at work where we need to ensure our software will run on it. I hate it - even the eye candy gets annoying after while. This week I have been testing backwards compatibility with Windows 2000 - gosh, what a speed improvement in responsiveness (menus appearing, etc). I think there was maybe one thing I thought Vista had improved in general usability, and I've already forgotten what it was. Avoid, avoid avoid!

Think I'll wait for SP1.

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Bear in mind that the cheaper versions of Vista can't be run with virtualisation - at least, the EULA forbids it and I've heard that there are technical measures to prevent it.

Hmm, greyeydeve ran a Debian system for her personal desktop (until hardware failure), and took care of software and security updates herself. Admittedly, she didn't install it, but then she's never tried to install Windows either. Apparently it was preferable because it was faster, easier to update and keep secure, and because KDE is a nicer and easier interface than WinXP provides.

taimatsu has been talking to me about GNU/Linux as a way to get better performance and stability out of her ageing laptop.

I'm on Vista Beta. I won't be buying Vista until it's better supported and more devices, hardware, and games support it (especially DX10). Stick with XP for now, but keep checking news/etc for added compatibility to your hardware and games.

I heard that Vista has some program that detects all your computer for cracks and pirated music and stuff like that so upgrading would make my PC useless.

For some reason there's been a lot of rumour mongering about Vista, so it's hard to separate what's true and not. It certainly won't check for pirated MP3s, which is one rumour I heard.

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