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I've spent the last couple of days, more so off than on, trying to explain to someone why the 9/11 (or 11/9) tower collapse conspiracy theories make no sense.

The guy is still trying to use the example of someone on a set of scales as explaining why the building wouldn't collapse, and that it was demolished...

I'm not from the USA, so I can't profess to have the geographical connection, but these conspiracy theories are just insulting to the memory of the thousands of people that were killed. Aside from the issue that you're a bozo to believe/create them.

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He is familiar with the concept of gravity, right?

You would have thought... he's one of the crowd that think the buildings were demolished, because people confuse the sounds of floors hitting floors with explosions. Do people honestly believe that the buildings would have been demolished, killing 400 rescue personnel in the process, and no-one would realise? It beggars belief how stupid people can be.

He also couldn't grasp the concept that if you drop several hundred tonnes of floor(s) onto a floor below it will cause the connections to the columns to fail, causing the self evident pancake collapse.

When I tried to raise this I then got hit with the "prove it through calculations or I won't believe it" answer. I decided at this point that I'd just wasted a lot of time, LOL.

If only you could do this with people, but on the Internet I guess you can.

Re: Social Networking Win!

Is it someone in real life? You can ALTF4 but it's considered rude for some reason? I used to work with a guy who was an intelligent, polite and charming man. Only he was a fully paid up, card carrying member of the David Icke conspiracy theory club. Including the bit about the Queen Mother being a reptilian lizard that fed on babies. It got tiresome after a while :/

Re: Social Networking Win!

Nah. Just some Facebook bozo. As opposed to a Facebook non-bozo. I went the block and delete route. I don't think I could associate with someone like this in real life without having an embolism.

Re: Social Networking Win!

There are facebook non-bozos? You mean I don't have to don a red nose whenever I wander over there?

Most of the conspiracy theories are utter bullshit.

Some are possibly plausible, but they're only that way because the theorists have taken a lateral approach to the evidence.

Occam's Razor gets rid of those...

The guy is still trying to use the example of someone on a set of scales as explaining why the building wouldn't collapse

You what?

On the basis that the mass of the building would always eventually translate as the overall mass. That is the mass of the floors would always travel through the columns, and ultimately the columns would always bear the weight. Hence they must have been demolished with explosive. Despite telling the guy over and over again that the issue was the connection failure between the floors and columns, hence there was no force transfer.

Edit: The way these conspiracy theorists works is to try and focus on just one element of the various events that occurred, and then try to distract with pseudo science.

Edited at 2010-09-13 10:44 pm (UTC)

Ah, that makes sense. And it's an awful idea.

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